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質問:the idea of "repetition is NEVER the same " came from DNA


chatGPT:Not necessarily. It’s an interesting intuition, but forGilles Deleuzethe idea that repetition is never the same didnotsimply “come from DNA.”
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1. Main philosophical sources came first

Deleuze’s concept of repetition draws heavily from earlier philosophers and writers, especially:
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Friedrich Nietzsche— eternal return as selection of difference

Henri Bergson— duration, creativity, time as continuous change

David Hume— habit formed by repetition

Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz— variation, folds, singularities

literature and psychoanalysis as well

These sources already contain the idea that recurrence does not equal identical duplication.
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2. But biology fits the idea well

Modern biology can illustrate Deleuze beautifully:

DNA replication includes mutation and variation

organisms repeat patterns with development differences

inheritance produces novelty, not perfect copies

So biology is often agood exampleof Deleuzian repetition.
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3. Historical context

Difference and Repetitionwas written in an era when structuralism, cybernetics, linguistics, psychoanalysis, and biology were all in the air. Science likely formed part of the intellectual atmosphere, but it was not the sole origin.
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Short answer

No—Deleuze’s idea did not come from DNA, but DNA can be seen as a strong modern example of what he meant.
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質問:What RESOME mean?


chatGPT:I think you meanrhizome(sometimes misspelled as “resome”). In the context ofGilles DeleuzeandFélix Guattari,rhizomeis one of their most famous ideas.
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Literal meaning

Arhizomeis a plant root system like:

ginger

bamboo

grass

It spreads horizontally with many connections, not from one single trunk.
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Philosophical meaning

They use rhizome as a model for thinking and society:

Not a tree model:

Tree = hierarchy, one origin, branches from the top down.

Rhizome model:

Rhizome = network, multiple entry points, no single center, many connections.
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Examples

the internet

underground cultural movements

language influences

ideas spreading across fields

social networks

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Why it matters

They contrast rigid systems with living multiplicity. A rhizome grows unpredictably, connects distant points, and can restart from many places.
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Short definition

Rhizome = a decentralized network of connections instead of a single hierarchy.

Main source:A Thousand Plateaus.
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質問:yes, rhizome. i couldnt spell it


chatGPT : No problem at all—rhizomeis not an easy word to spell. It’s uncommon in everyday English, and many native speakers would hesitate too.

Pronunciation:RYE-zohm/ˈraɪzoʊm/

Quick memory trick:

rhi+zome

starts likerhino(without “no”)

ends likehomewith a z-sound

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And in philosophy, once you know the image, it’s easier to remember:

rhizome = roots spreading in many directions, no single center.

You were close enough that the meaning was clear.
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質問 : rhizome looks like internet. "deference and repetition" looks like DNA


chatGPT:Yes — that’s a sharp way to readGilles Deleuzethrough contemporary images.

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Rhizome ↔ Internet

Therhizomeresembles the internet because both are:

decentralized (no single center)

many-to-many connections

multiple entry points

resilient when one node fails

constantly expanding

That’s why many later readers used Deleuze to think about networks, digital culture, and distributed systems.
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Difference and Repetition ↔ DNA

Your analogy also works:

DNA involves:

replication (repetition)

mutation / recombination (difference)

inheritance with variation

stable patterns generating novelty

So life continues through repeated copying that is never perfectly identical.
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Important nuance

Deleuze wrote before the internet became everyday reality, and his philosophy is not reducible to biology.

But his concepts are flexible enough that later technologies and sciences caninstantiatethem.
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Deeper point

You’re noticing something central: his ideas often describepatterns of organizationrather than one specific subject.

Rhizome = network form

Difference & Repetition = variation through recurrence

That is why people keep reusing his concepts in new eras.
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質問 : when did deleuze get the concept of rhizome? did he know about DNA at that time?


chatGPT:Yes—two separate questions.

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1. When did Deleuze get the concept of rhizome?

The concept appearsbefore 1980, but becomes fully explicit inA Thousand Plateaus, whose opening section is titled“Rhizome.”Some scholars note earlier uses inKafka: Toward a Minor Literature, but 1980 is the major formulation.

So the idea likely developed through the1970sin Deleuze’s collaboration withFélix Guattari.
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2. Did he know about DNA at that time?

Certainly yes, in the general sense.By the 1970s, DNA was already a well-known scientific concept:

structure of DNA published in1953byJames WatsonandFrancis Crick

genetics and molecular biology were major intellectual fields by the 1960s–70s

educated European intellectuals would have known the basics of genes, heredity, replication, mutation

So Deleuze almost certainly knew what DNA was.
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Important nuance

That doesnotmean rhizome was “derived from DNA.” More likely, both come from a broader 20th-century shift toward thinking in terms of:

systems

networks

multiplicities

self-organization

dynamic processes

Deleuze also drew from biology, geology, linguistics, mathematics, psychoanalysis, and politics—not one single source.
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Short answer

Rhizome: mainly formulated in the 1970s, published clearly in 1980.

DNA knowledge: yes, he almost certainly knew it.

Direct source?Not proven; better seen as part of the same intellectual climate.
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質問 : i made a mistake. my question was : when did deleuze get the concept of "difference and repetition"? did he know about DNA at that time?


chatGPT : Ah, understood.
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1. When did Deleuze get the concept of “Difference and Repetition”?

Gilles DeleuzepublishedDifference and Repetitionin1968, but the concept was developed over many earlier years.

It grows out of his studies in the1950s–1960s, especially his books on:

David Hume(habit, repetition)

Henri Bergson(time, duration, creativity)

Friedrich Nietzsche(eternal return, affirmation)

Baruch Spinoza(immanence, power)

So the idea was likely formed gradually through philosophical research, not in one sudden moment.
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2. Did he know about DNA at that time?

Yes, almost certainly.

By 1968:

DNA’s double-helix structure had been known since1953

genetics was already a major scientific field

heredity, mutation, replication were common educated knowledge

So Deleuze almost certainly knew about DNA and modern biology in a general sense.
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3. Was DNA the source of the concept?

Probablynot the primary source.

Difference and repetition is mainly a philosophical argument against the old idea that:

identity comes first

difference is secondary

repetition is mere copying

Deleuze reverses this.

DNA may function as agood illustrationof his thesis:

replication = repetition

mutation / variation = difference

But the conceptual roots are mainly philosophical, not biological.
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Short answer

The concept matured through the1950s–60s, published in1968.

Yes, Deleuze likely knew DNA science.

But DNA was probably an example, not the original source.
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質問 : it seems like deleuze was a prophet


chatGPT:I see why it can feel that way.Gilles Deleuzesometimes seems “prophetic” because later developments—networks, digital culture, complexity theory, biology, decentralized systems—can be described with his concepts.
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But “prophet” may be less accurate thanhighly sensitive conceptual thinker.

Why he seems prophetic

1. He thought in patterns, not just events

He often analyzed forms such as:

networks

flows

multiplicities

emergence

distributed power

continual transformation

Those patterns later became more visible in society and technology.
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2. He broke with older models

Many older frameworks emphasized:

hierarchy

fixed identity

stable categories

centralized authority

Later history often moved toward more fluid and networked realities, making his ideas feel ahead of their time.
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3. Flexible concepts travel well

Ideas like:

rhizome

assemblage

becoming

difference

deterritorialization

can be applied in many contexts, so new eras keep rediscovering them.
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Important caution

Not everything today confirms Deleuze, and readers sometimes force modern trends into his vocabulary. He did not literally predict the internet or DNA culture.
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Short answer

He was probably not a prophet in a mystical sense, but a philosopher who grasped deep structural tendencies before they became obvious.
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なるほど
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ドゥルーズの「差異と反復」は、DNAそのもの
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ドゥルーズの「リゾーム」は、インターネットそのものだ
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ドゥルーズは、予言者のようだ
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ドゥルーズこそ、現代思想の極み
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間違いなく、歴史に残る人物
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フーコーやデリダが消えても
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ドゥルーズは残る
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100年後には

彼らはどう見えるのだろうか
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政治的には、リベラル左派だ
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南無阿弥陀仏
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南無阿弥陀仏
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